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Deep oscillation??

They are trying to sell me this thing. Is it any good? The literature is scarce...

Georgi Petrov

4 months ago

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gvpetrov223 said:

All is good Mary, but why are the refferences from the Dr Jens Reinhold's document put in this strange order? It is confusingly hard to read the names of the papers...

Hi Georgi - the studies are in number order, so if a proven effect is listed in article with a (25) it refers to study 25 in list. For an alphabetical list with links to PubMed studies try http://www.physiopod.co.uk/references.shtml Sorry for delay in replying Georgi, I didn't get a notification to say anyone had responded. Best Regards, Mary

gvpetrov223
gvpetrov223

All is good Mary, but why are the refferences from the Dr Jens Reinhold's document put in this strange order? It is confusingly hard to read the names of the papers...

info363
info363

Good Morning all,

For reasons of transparency, I am Co Director of PhysioPod and Physio Equipment which I run with Julie Soroczyn (Sports Massage Therapist) who has used since 2006. We are the UK and Ireland exclusive distributors for the range of products from Physiomed Elektromedizin AG in Germany. Our knowledge of Deep Oscillation and it’s fields of application over the last 10 years is really quite extensive now and through reading through this thread, I feel it would be helpful to point you in the direction of reading which will hopefully aid your understanding. But I am happy to answer questions too.

To learn more 'in depth’ information about the 'Mechanisms of Deep Oscillation’ with scientific references you can download a pdf here http://www.physiopod.co.uk/assets/images2017/2017-MLD-6pp-web.pdf This is written by Dr Jens Reinhold.

To discover more general FAQ on the therapy, please see http://www.physiopod.co.uk/deep-oscillation-frequently-asked-questions-pdf.shtml.

Yesterday, I published a testimonial from Paul Smith, Head of Medical at Bury FC which you can read here together with feedback from other MSCPs in sport. Paul has used the therapy for many years and credits its use in acute and sub acute muscular injuries for cutting player ‘return to play’ times. http://www.physiopod.co.uk/paul-smith-physio-reducing-recovery-times.shtml

To watch a visual of the effects of Deep Oscillation in the tissue please click here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z7Sg3U9p8g.

In the UK now, it is currently used in the NHS for lymphoedema management and it is used in many of the Premiership teams and by many Chartered Physiotherapists. It is also used pre and post operatively, by Osteos and Chiros, in equine and canine and by many private sports and holistic massage therapists. If you have any further questions, please don’t hesitate to contact me.

Mary Fickling

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elainemarianiesmt119

I have the Physiopod and use it regularly on horses. I am an equine sports massage therapist. I only have my own experience to go by as there is not a lot/any relevant research, especially on horses, but have had great success with chronic lymphodema particulalry in a horse who has recurrent lympodema and was at the time of my visit, on antibiotics with no effect and it was thought the horse would have to be PTS. I have used it with equally good results on horses whose backs have 'splinted' where there is zero movement of soft tissue under my hands. I use it on my own back when my job is taking its toll and it really helps me. Most horses are soothed by it, which is also really useful.

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gvpetrov223
gvpetrov223

First- thanks for the links. Second - some of my experiences with this machine, if anyone is interested. So, they gave me one to test. It is preprogrammed with quiet a lot programs, covering different kind of orthopaedic pathologies. The programs are 20-30 minutes long. I tried it twice on a patient with so called frozen shoulder. He felt it fantastic, but there is not objective improvement. He said he feels his shoulder looser for two days afterward. The other patient that I tried it on is a young girl with hand stiffness after metacarpal fracture ORIF. Nothing spectacular. Now the machine is not working because of some technical problem (too many ppl have tested it) and I am waiting for repalecement. Will keep it up if anyone is interested..

Prof Tim Watson
Prof Tim Watson

thanks for the reference links - appreciated. Tim

luisef258
luisef258

I'm with Tim, the electrostatic mechanisms appears to be effective and might generate a deep "massage" and the related fisiológic effects. High quality research will be welcome. Take a peek here to see some articles I've collected on deep oscilation. http://agfisicos.com/category/agentes-fisicos-electrophysical-agents/eletrostatica-electrostatic/ .

Prof Tim Watson
Prof Tim Watson

When I first came across the device, I thought it was going to be another 'short lived' gimmick, but it turns out to be better than that. There are a slowly growing number of research papers on its clinical application. Several relate to lymphoedema treatments where it appears to be effective. The other 'popular' area is in sports medicine and acute injury treatment. Given that the patient is 'insulated' from the current flow, the mechanisms appears to be electrostatic, but a deep oscillation or deep 'massage' type effect is a perfectly reasonable way to describe what is happening. It tried to get some funding to investigate (physiological and clinical) effects, but no joy. I (personal opinion) think that the effects are real - at least in part. Not sure that every claim that is made is supported by the limited evidence, but I would not write it off. Sorry don't have the full answer. Tim

luisef258
luisef258

Hello Georgi About 15 years ago I used a DEEP OSCILLATION device from Physiomed for a month to "testing" it (http://www.physiomed.de/en/products/deep-oscillation-evident- aesthetics/). At the time, he did not have an applicator like today. It was the therapist's hands, to which ram an electrode was attached, that in direct contact with the patient (that held the 2nd electrode) applied the current, like a massage. Of course a month of use is not nough to decide a purchase and much less to incorporate into the clinical arsenal. The large lack of research articles on the subject also weighed on the decision. The only thing I can say is that the sensation it causes in the patient is very pleasant, relaxing. Its physiological and clinical effects, I do not know nor proved, of course. Today I hold the same opinion, without papers I do not use it clinically . Hope it helps

gvpetrov223
gvpetrov223

It is exactly the thing from the link from prof. Watson's reply. They gave me one for test. It is completely preprogrammed. The feeling is like you move a vibrating smartfone on the skin. Do you think it does something from the claims?

Prof Tim Watson
Prof Tim Watson

Think it is this one ????? https://www.physioequipment.co.uk/physio-equipment/deep-oscillation/ Let us know so that we can be sure before start making comments Tim

Cliff Eaton
Cliff Eaton

What thing Georgi?

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